Eastman Reflections Program

Following in the tradition of former WHAM president William Fay,  Walter Dixon created Eastman Reflections, a Sunday evening program,  for the purpose of bringing good music and an understanding of it to WHAM’s very broad listening audience.   His guests included the composers, conductors, musicians and teachers who make good music possible. Most were drawn from the faculty of the Eastman School of Music.  however, a few of Walter’s Sunday afternoon conversations were with the worlds great composers, conductors, vocalists and musicians.  Chief among the great composers was Howard Hanson, Director of the Eastman School of Music from 1924 to 1964.  Indeed, as a tribute to Dr. Hanson, the opening theme to Eastman reflections is a movement from Doctor Hanson’s Symphany #3, popularly referred to as his Romantic Symphony.  

We are fortunate to have at least 8 of Walter’s  Eastman Reflection programs which he recorded over the years.  Two of them departed from the usual one hour format.   Once with the world reknowned conductor, Leopold Stowkowski and again for a memorial to honor his dear friend, Robert Sattler, the Eastman School’s Concert Manager and School Placement Director from 1950 until his death.

Following in the tradition of former WHAM president, William Fay, Walter Dixon created a number of fine music programs. The most informative among them was Eastman Reflections, a Sunday Evening Program designed specifically to bring fine music and an understanding of it to WHAM’s broadest listening audience.

His guests included the composers, conductors, musicians and teachers who make good music possible. Most were drawn from the faculty of the Eastman School of Music. However, a few of Walter’s Sunday evening conversations were with world renowned artists such as composer/conuductor, Howard Hanson, Director of the Eastman School of Music from 1924 to 1964 and internationally famous Conductor, Leopold Stowkowski.

Indeed, as a tribute to Dr. Hanson, the opening and closing theme to Eastman Reflections is a movement from Doctor Hanson’s Symphany #3, popularly referred to as his Romantic Symphony.

We are fortunate to have 12 of Walter’s Eastman Reflections programs which he recorded over the years. Two of them departed from the usual one hour format. Once with Leopold Stowkowski and again for a memorial to honor his dear friend, Robert Sattler, the Eastman School’s Concert Manager and School Placement Director from 1950 until his death.

 WHAM’s close relationship with the Eastman School of Music and the Rochester Philharmonic Orchestra ended forever when Walter Dixon’s 20 year association with WHAM came to an end during the summer of 1979. 

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Dave Brubeck

1963 An interview with Dave Brubeck

Walter’s first conversation with world reknowned jazz artist and composer, Dave Brubeck, aired on July 28, 1963, shortly before the Eastman School’s annual Arranger’s Holiday event opened at the Eastman Theater. Listen as Walter and Dave talk about Dave’s early life and as they share their mutual love of classical and jazz which they explore by listening to a number of compositions meant to reflect the relationship between classical and jazz music.

 For more information about Dave Brubeck, click on this link. Dave Brubeck biography and Dave Brubeck’s website.

Dave Brubeck young

Dave Brubeck

Dave Brubeck young

Dave Brubeck

Dave Brubeck

Dave Brubeck

Fats Waller

Fats Waller

Dave and Howard Brubeck

Dave Brubeck with older brother, Howard during 1958 interview.

Claude Debussy

Claude Debussy

Dave Brubeck quartet 1951-1967: Left to right, Dave Brubeck piano, Paul Desmond sax, Eugene Wright bass and Joe Morello drums.

Dave Brubeck young

Dave Brubeck

Interview with Professor Henry Cowell August 4, 1963

Henry Cowell

Henry Cowell

This Eastman Reflections program features a conversation with Professor Henry Cowell. It aired on August 4, 1963 as the third in a series of conversations with professor Cowell. It aired again on September 21, 1969, almost four years after his death. Unfortunately, this conversation is the only one of the three that still remains.

His friendship with Director Howard Hanson and others at the Eastman School of Music led to his taking a leave of absence from Columbia University to participate in the school’s summer sessions in 1963 through 1965.

Cowell had a significant impact on the school’s American Composers Concerts and Festivals of American Music through his advocacy and presence.

Henry Cowell was born in Menlo Park California in 1897. In 1931 he studied non-European musical systems in Bernilin Germany on a Guggenheim Foundation grant. He taught at the New School for Social Research in New York City from 1932 to 1952 and Columbia University from 1949. 

Complete Eastman Refections Program for August 4, 1963, A conversation with Professor Henry Cowell. 

Track 1:Opening theme and introduction to Henry Cowell; his early life among Asian Americans
Track 3:  Introduction 8th century Japanese
ceremonial court music

1st interview with Leopold Stowkowski 1963

Leopold Stowkowski

Leopold Stowkowski

Leopold Stowkowski

as conductor of the Philidelphia Orchestra from 1912 to 1936.

 He continued conducting concerts and making recordings with a Philidelphia Orchestra until 1941.

Leopold Stowkowski was, in his time, the world’s greatest conductor.  Of him Walter said, “He was one of the great men, one of the great conductors and musical spokemen of our time.”

In his answers to Walter Dixon’s informed and probing questions, Maestro Stowkowski reveals the depth and breadth of his artistic greatness.

The first of these historic interviews was recorded at the old Treadway Inn on East Avenue. It is dated Thursday, October 31, 1963. This date is most likely inaccurate. We also cannot say with certainty on which of Walter’s several programs it aired. It most certainly was not a Green Room interview. It runs just 28 minutes without music selections. However, at the end of his conversation with Stowkowski, Walter lists the music which actually played on the program when aired. We know originally the broadcast interview with music ran 2 hours.

Stowkowski at Carnegie Hall

Ludwig Van Beethoven

Ludwig Van Beethoven

stowkowski studies sound at Bell Lab

Stowkowski studies sound at Bell Lab

2nd interview with Leopold Stowkowski
November 3, 1963

Leopold Stowkowski

Leopold Stowkowski

Walter’s second conversation with Stowkowski is dated November 3, 1963. It covers of a wide range of topics of interest to the music world along with a broad selection of recordings of Stowkowski conducting the world’s great orchestras over the course of many years. The usual one our Eastman Reflections aired for two hours.

Complete Eastman Reflections program November 3, 1963 with Maestro Leopold Stowkowski

Arnold Schoenberg

Arnold Schoenberg

Igor Stravinsky

Igor Stravinsky

Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov

Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov

Interview with Howard Hanson 1964

Howard Hanson

Howard Hanson

This is the second of two interviews with Howard Hanson in which they discuss the plight of opera in the United States. Sadly, we do not have the first interview which included a performance of his opera, Merry Mount, the complexities of which are discussed in this interview. 

The focus of their conversation in this second interview is on the overwhelming difficulties faced by the young opratic composers and performers of opera in the United States today. 

It features Howard Hanson’s Lament for Beowulf which focuses on the final stanzas of the Old English epic poem “Beowulf.” It was performed by the Eastman School Choir and the Eastman Rochester Symphony Orchestra with Howard Hanson conducting. We have included the libretto for your listening pleasure. It contains the heart breaking story of the people of the Geats as they mourn the death of their king, construct his funeral pyre and bury his ashes. It also contains translations of certain Old English words which are no longer in use by modern English speakers.

Track 2: Plight of operatic composers and performers in the United States today.

Libretto to Lament for Beowulf

Howard Hanson

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Interview with George (Gyorgy) Sandor January 7, 1968

George (Gyorgy) Sandor was born in Hungary in 1912. He studied piano under Bela Bartok and composition under Zoltar Kodaly at the Liszt Academy of Music in Budapest, Hungary. He debuted as a performer in 1930.

After touring Europe for 9 years, he left for the United States in 1939 and became a naturalized American citizen in 1943.

 He made his Carnegie Hall debut in 1939, served in the Army Signal Corps and the Intelligence and Special Services from 1942 to 1944 during World War II.

Following the war, he returned to his international touring career. Mr. Sandor died in December, 2005 at the age of 93.

Interview with George (Gyorgy) Sandor January 7, 1968

It’s with internationally reknowned pianist, George Sandor and it aired on January 7, 1968.

Howard Hanson

George (Gyorgy) SandorSandor

George (Gyorgy) Sandor was born in Hungary in 1912. He studied piano under Bela Bartok and composition under Zoltar Kodaly at the Liszt Academy of Music in Budapest, Hungary. He debuted as a performer in 1930.

After touring Europe for 9 years, he left for the United States in 1939 and became a naturalized American citizen in 1943.

 He made his Carnegie Hall debut in 1939, served in the Army Signal Corps and the Intelligence and Special Services from 1942 to 1944 during World War II.

Following the war, he returned to his international touring career. Mr. Sandor died in December, 2005 at the age of 93..

Sergie Prokofiev

Sergie Prokofiev

Interview with Howard Hanson, November 5, 1967

Howard Hanson

Howard Hanson

Track 1:  Greetings between Howard Hanson and Walter Dixon
Walter Damrosch HH 1967

Walter Damrosch 

Roy Harris

Roy Harris

Track 10: How long after taking leadership of this new school did you institute these concerts for young composers?
Track 11: Were these new composers creating a more original voice for their time? 

This is the last of 3 interviews with Tom Maurey, Director of Alumni relations for the Eastman School of Music, assistant director of relations for the University of Rochester and producer of recorded music.

December 1, 1968.

Walter Dixon’s conversation with Mr. Tom Maurey is a 1968 tour de force presentation of electronic music which will take you far beyond your conventional ideas and into a realm of sounds produced by voice and other means.

 The dialogue between Walter and Tom is frank, informative and ocasionally amusing. This is an adventure not to be missed.

 We regret we were unable to find a photo of Mr. Maurey but we were able to provide photos of two of the artists whose works are being discussed.  

Track 3: Discussion of how and why this music is so different from the music we usually listen to.
Luciano Berio

Luciano Berio

Track 4: Plays “Theme” (rhymes with grandma). It’s a tribute to the poet, James Joyce. Composer is Luciano Berio 
Roy Harris

Walter Damrosch 

Track 7:  Devices used by Luciano Berio and how to understand his compositions
Track 9:  Music has always reflected the times in which it was produced
Luciano Berio

Luciano Berio

Walter Carlos

Walter Carlos

Wendy Carlos

Track 13:  Turning to conventional music, Walter Carlos plays Bach on Moog synthesizer. Walter Carlos is now Wendy Carlos. She is famous for her “Switched on Bach”
Track 15:  Maurey’s strange introduction to John Brook’s “Rise and Shine” played on the “entropic synthsizer.”

This is our 3rd and final Eastman Reflections interview with Howard Hanson. It aired on December 15, 1968.

Howard Hanson

Howard Hanson

Track 1:   After the introduction, Howard discusses his favorite compositions
Track 2:  The difficulties facing young composers as they find their own path.
Track 3: What are the risks involved in following past composers?
Track 4: The two choices every young composer must make.
Track 8: Is it possible to separate a composer’s work from his feelings?
Track 9: Does the composer’s feelings find expression in
 his music?
Track 10: Can we separate what the composer writes from who he is?
Track 11: Discussion of the upcoming concert in which Hanson’s 6th Symphony will be played. 
Track 12: Introduction to Hanson’s Nordic Symphony and closing remarks.

In Memoriam, Robert Sattler, b.11.20.1919 d.01.23.1969.

Long associated with the University of Rochester’s Eastman School of Music. It aired on February 3, 1969  

Robert Sattler returning from 1962 tour

Robert Sattler

This program strays from the usual Eastman Reflections format. It honors and celebrates the life of Robert Sattler.

 Robert Sattler was the Eastman School’s School Placement Director from 1950 until his death. He was also the Concert Manager of the Eastman Philharmonia from 1958 to 1968. In that capacity he accompanied the Eastman Philharmonia on its State sponsored tour through the Near East and Europe over the winter of 1961-62.

 Walter was so deeply moved by the death of his friend, Robert Sattler, that he devoted a special program to honor and celebrate his life. It is a blend of music and poetry, presumably chosen from among Robert’s favorite or from among those they enjoyed when they were enjoying each other’s company.

Photos by Lou Ouzer

Sattler with M_M Igor Stravinsky

Robert Sattler escorting Mr and Mrs Igor Stravinsky through the Eastman Theater

Track 1:    Standard Opening music, special introductory words and Howard Hanson’s 8th Psalm.
Track 2:  Poem by e.e. cummings “I Thank You God” followed by Dave Brubeck’s “Elementals”
Track 3: Station break, John Keats’s poem, “Ode on a Grecian Urn” followed by “Widow’s Lament from Howard Hansons “Lament for Beowulf”
Track 4: “This is the day,” a poem by Percy Shelley followed by Arnold Schoenberg’s Verklarte
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Track 5: Kahlil Gibran’s poem, “On Death.” followed by Miles Davis’ “There’s a boat that’s leaving soon for New York City. 

Interview with concert pianist, Eugene List,

professor of piano at the Eastman School of Music.
This interview aired on July 20, 1969.

Bill Givens

Bill Givens

Eugene List

Eugene List

In this interview, WHAM talent, Bill Givens, stands in for vacationing Walter Dixon. Not being an officionato of serious music, Givens chose to explore, in depth, Eugene List’s July 8, 1969 White house appearance which occurred just 12 days before this interview aired. Givens chose wisely as this turned out to be a very entertaining interview.

The White House occassion was a state dinner given by President and Mrs. Richard Nixon in honor of the Emperor of Ethiopia, Haile Selassie,

With good reason (which will be revealed later in the interview) Eugene List was chosen for the entertainment which followed the dinner.

We have tried to recreate that auspicious White House event with photos gleaned from various internet web sites including the whitehousehistory.gov.

About Eugene List 

Born July 6, 1918, Eugene List was an American concert pianist and professor at the Eastman School of Music.

 He rose to prominence after performing for Winston Churchill, Harry Truman and Joseph Stalin at the famous 1945 Potsdam conference at the end of World War II.

 List was especially known for reviving the music of the 19th-century composer Louis M. Gottschalk.

 In 1964, List became a member of the Eastman School of Music’s faculty. He was active as a teacher and as the head of the piano faculty.

 He was also widely recognized for orchestrating large-scale performances called “monster concerts,” where multiple pianos were used on stage.

 A significant example was his 1970 appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show where he performed with nine Eastman students on ten pianos. 

 After leaving Eastman in 1975, he joined the faculty of New York University. 

East Room with piano

East Room with piano

Track 2: Begin discussion of List’s White House performance on July 8, 1969. 
Caroll Glen & Eugene List

Caroll Glen & Eugene List

Combo Marine band

Combo Marine band

Guest of Honor Haile Selassie

Guest of Honor Haile Selassie

Churchill Truman Stalin

Churchill Truman Stalin

Track 4:  Eugene List enumerates the presidents he’s played for at the White House
President Harry Truman

President Harry Truman

President Kennedy

President Kennedy

Truman at piano List next to him

Truman at piano List next to himLuciano Berio

Track 6:  The story of President Kennedy’s invitation to List to play at an event honoring President Truman.
Alexander Reinagle

Alexander Reinagle

George Washington

George Washington

Louis Gottschalk

Louis Gottschalk

President Lincoln

President Lincoln

Track 8:  Who selects the music? Track 8 Louis Gottschalk 1864, Track 8 President Lincoln
White House Steinway Piano detail from WH collection

White House Steinway Piano detail from WH collection

Johann Hassler

Johann Hassler

Whittier College

Whittier College

President and Mrs. Richard Nixon

President and Mrs. Richard Nixon

Interview with Professor Wayne Barlow, chair of the composition department at the Eastman School of Music from 1968 until 1973.

Wayne Barlow

Wayne Barlow

Born September 6, 1912 in Elyria, Ohio, Wayne Barlow entered the Eastman School of Music as a student in 1930. After completing his studies, which culminated in a Ph.D in Music, he accepted Director Howard Hanson’s invitation to join Eastman’s faculty. He remained involved with the Eastman School of Music until his retirement in 1978.

Dr. Barlow was a prolific composer. His earliest composition, The Dream For Voice and Piano, was written in 1931 while he was a student. His latest one, Requiem and Alleluia for trombone choir, was written in 1991. He became interested in electronic music in the early 1960s.

Two of Dr. Barlow’s compositions, Mass in G Minor (1951) and Trio For Oboe, Viola and Piano (1964) provide the context for this interview’s lively conversation.

Please visit this link for more about Dr. Barlow’s career and his work.

Track 1:   Introduction, kudos for Star Show at Planitarium and how Wayne Barlow got into electronic music.
Track 2:  Topic is audience’s listening patterns and artists who grow with the times.
Track 3: Splintering of musical styles and splintering of audiences in keeping with their preferences.
Track 4: WHAM’s new music policy and the resulting wider listening audience.
Track 6: Discussion of Barlow’s earlier work, Mass in G Minor which Walter refers to as his Misa Brevis.
Track 7:  Walter introduces second half of program and asks Prof. Barlow, “Why aren’t you writing like that now?”
Wayne Barlow

Wayne Barlow

Track 8:  Discussion of Barlow’s electronic composition, Trio for Oboe, Viola and Piano.
Track 9:  Barlow introduces Trio For Oboe, Viola and Piano. Walter adds closing remarks.